Whitley for Hand swap. He seems like the type of player who could hit the sophomore slump like a train. AA might have bumped his stock. His 50 percentile outcome is something like a bit better version of Bud Norris. Brad Hand WILL help the Astros now. Hand to not blow any critical moments and for Tucker to fall well short of the massive expectations you have placed on him. If you look at the stats Brad Hand is capable of going multiple innings and getting both lefties and righties out. And now the Yankees get to face him 19 times in the regular season.
SPs in front of him. Or even your Astros with Franklin Perez. WS champs are related to giving up top prospects for mediocre relievers. Cleveland overtook Houston and absorbed New York in the ALDS. Why would they be worse than New York? Sale carried his staff this past season. Six years of that is too valuable to give up for a negligible chance at another WS win. Davis, maybe Cionel Perez or Hector Perez for Hand. Perhaps a couple of its young arms step up and serve admirably in the pen.
MIGHT help the Astros at some point down the road. Name rhymes with Bavid Bortiz. Chapman returned a top 20 prospect in baseball as a rental and Miller returned a top 20 prospect and another prospect in the top 100. Pinder there until Barreto is ready. All the guys you mentioned were already thought of as being in the top 50 when they came out for the draft. Their pen was 6th in FIP and 3rd in xFIP while losing essentially no one of consequence, with a lot of young arms that could take a step forward. And of course that says nothing about where the teams stand going forward.
The Astros need to make bull pen upgrades if they hope to repeat. Look at what other teams gave up for relievers two summers ago. Yes, Devenski is their death on lefties member out of the pen, and he should be deployed as such. Whitley is absolutely in that top tier. He is a guy that I would love see work with Omar Visquel because he has the range and arm to be special if only there was some sort of mentor to help him develop. Whitley as the next Kershaw just yet. The former can afford to spend prospects like currency because they have actual currency available to fix any mistakes. Hand had way more team control than Chapman. Rather the Padres shoot for Bukauskas and Moran to complete a Hand deal if they are dealing with the Astros.
Not even a comparison. Maxwell was arrested on Oct. Yes, you can find useful idiots in many FOs. Then come the offseason Kimbrel gets traded for an absolute HAUL. The last deadline was the most value you would get out of Hand and the Padres like every other decision they have made failed drastically. Remember, Tigers had to settle for prospects Franklin Perez, Jake Rogers and Daz Cameron for a Hall of Fame ace in Justin Verlander plus the Tigers had to throw in Juan Ramirez who is a pretty good minor leaguer himself.
Whitley is a top 25 overall prospect already. The closest was swinging for Brian McCann last year, using a pair of B type pitching prospects. Whitley to perform at least as an average starter, baring injury. Or name me a time that any current Padre player has played in the World Series. Hand in the WS. And look at how Espinoza has done since the trade. Relievers who are about as good and controllable as Hand went for similar returns to the ones I am suggesting last year. Espinoza was when he was traded. That premium prospect cash can be used on something else, then.
Postmates employee that was making a delivery to his house, per Slusser. And they are projected to be worse than New York going into next season unless they make some serious moves. Athletics make any proposals of that regard. The former is more likely, but probably not that likely at this point. So Devo is better than him? Chapman and Miller had.
Hand is a good pitcher. There will be premium starters and bats available as well, both of which can provide much more value than a single reliever can. The astros won the World Series because they held on to their prospects, not traded them away for a reliever like hand. Yankees got for Chapman or Miller. Find another fool of a team. The Astros have their division all but locked up going into 2018. Ichiro Suzuki, who is now a free agent. And the Astros eliminated the Red Sox by tearing through Kimbrel. Maybe half a percentage point.
That was a method long predicted in 2017 by anyone who followed the team, and it proved to be a winning one. New York at all, but that is the best run FO in baseball. Boston was a cinch compared to the Yanks. The Red Sox were better than the Yankees this year and likely will be for at least two more years. You need to do some research on how these teams operate before you assume their needs, wants and optimal moves. McCullers did at a younger age. And he has a significant chance to be a true TORP. You are beyond crazy. Wilson, Britton or any other reliever at the deadline.
Seriously, Hand would probably improve their overall WS chances next year by less than a single percentage point. Your calculus goes both ways, buddy. AA just this year! All relievers are volatile. It would be beyond stupid for Luhnow to trade away the one sure thing he has from the farm that can fill that spot. Espinoza was no where near a prospect as Whitley is now, and the Red Sox acquired a young starter who won 17 games for them this year. CF, and LF could come from this group too.
He is better than Jorge Soler but then again, Hand has twice as much control as Davis did when he was traded. So they can repeat. The Red Sox were absolutely not better than the Yankees this season. The one you are suggesting is the most optimistic, by no means a guarantee or even the most likely. McGee or Minor to make it worth trading any of those three. You keep pointing out how better prospects than Whitley were traded. Whitley to do so. Barreto at 2B because of his inability to consistently make the routine plays at SS. Anderson Espinoza for Drew Pomeranz who had even less of a track record of success than Brad Hand? The rosterbation is better spent elsewhere.
Martin the defense wizard in the mix too. Or the Indians with Clint Frazier. IF the Astros want to keep contending for the foreseeable future they should hold onto their top tier talent so they can fill the gaps when some of the current players leave. There is absolutely no reliever available that is worth a blue chip like Whitley or Tucker. Stros will go for Minor or McGee as free agent instead. Allen SS group coming soon.
Relative to them, Whitley is an entirely different animal. They were the worst power hitting team in the AL. Bukauskas probably might not even be enough on his own to get Hand. Of the two, Szczur is still with the Padres. But my expectations of him are measured. MLBPipeline and Andrew Susac, a graduated top organizational prospect, for Will Smith. They can afford to treat their prospects like currency, and that trade was made at the deadline. Trading for a reliever to add to that core is smart but not necessary. Hand to blow a critical moment and provide negative value in the playoffs.
Hand I knew you were just overvaluing your prospects. Athletics catcher Bruce Maxwell plead not guilty to assault and disorderly conduct charges on Tuesday, reports Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Especially not a pitching prospect. Red Sox this year. Miller return for Hand last July. In class A he struck out 117 in 77 innings. Do the Padres need Eric Hosmer?
They were significantly below average last season. Not the case with Hand. Ideally, the Padres net a legit SS prospect out of wherever they trade Hand though so preferably they deal Hand elsewhere. Minor or McGee on a free agent deal. Yeah, Espinoza was a BETTER prospect than Whitley is now. Top 5 prospect for hand. Zero, zero, zero chance he is moved, and certainly not for a freaking reliever. Hand has shown to be capable of going multiple innings and pitching well so your last post just helped my point rather than hurting it. Also, it makes more sense for the Astros to keep Whitely in case Keuchal walks next year.
Again, this is all basic roster construction stuff. And like I said, I could not difficult see the Yankees taking a step back next year now that the book is out on Aaron Judge. The 2016 Cubs and 2017 Astros won the World Series because they had young, talented players on the rise. And the Cubs likely viewed Gleybar as superfluous, given the presence of Addison Russell, whom they surely expected more from this season. What serious contributors are they losing or the Yankees gaining? Pomeranz was a starter with more team control than Hand. Luhnow has never made a major trade during the offseason. Padres throw in another prospect like Keating or Paddack. Trevor Cahill and Matt Szczur were both members of the Cubs when they won the World Series and played for the Padres this past season.
Again, paying for important marginal wins in the present and banking as many future wins as possible is as basic as it gets for MLB roster construction. Pomeranz had two after the season in which he was traded was over. Aroldis Chapman, Wade Davis or Andrew Miller. No reason to think he is off limits for Hand. Putting Semien in LF and Davis at DH frees up Healy to be dealt. MLBPipeline when he was traded. He is good but better prospects than him have busted in the past. WE were the dumb ones for not taking that trade. Then the Padres lowered their offer and still no one wanted him for that price.
Of course, trading for Hand might not be the difference in repeating but this article does state that the Astros are looking for an impact bullpen lefty who is capable of going multiple innings and closing. You say that the Astros won the World Series because they hung on to Whitley and Tucker, but how can that be the case when neither one played in the World Series? Astros but the return the Padres utlimately get for Hand will likely be one that you think the other GM is stupid for giving up. WS probabilities by burning, arguably, his best prospect. More importantly looking at the Astros vs lefties from their pen here is how they faired according to fangraphs. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News. Harris only close behind. Red Sox had a slappy mediocre offense that greatly outperformed its raw numbers.
Not even close between the two. My point is that the Astros will not trade a talent like that for Brad Hand. Trading Whitley for a reliever is the exact opposite of that. Craig Kimbrel at the deadline. Whitley is definitely not as good as Michael Kopech, Alex Reyes, or even AJ Puk though. Meanwhile, the Yankees made it further in the playoffs, pushed Houston to the absolute limit and held onto their best prospects in the process. Did you even watch the playoffs? Greg Johns and Joe Frisaro of MLB. He is certainly a top 10 reliever in baseball and much better than any of the alternatives you mentioned except Britton and there is a good chance Britton will need Tommy John surgery sometime this year.
Bottom line, no one is getting Hand without giving up an impact prospect. Jake Kaplan of the Houston Chronicle. You must have cheap performers like a Tucker or Whitley to make those extensions feasible. Hand to the Astros would have to start with Whitley or Bukauskas. Houston has little to worry about. People were saying the exact same thing about Kimbrel two years ago and they ended up being dead wrong about that. The guy has advanced through the minors at a pace only matched by Clayton Kershaw at his age. Now, who has the better outlook going forward? Name a 20 year old that played in the World Series.
Luhnow is feeling generous. Much of his late season struggles stem from overuse against righties, which he does not stifle to the same degree. The Astros will have a gaping hole opening up in the rotation after next season by the name of Keuchel. Hand than two months of Chapman, but obviously the Cubs placed a premium on the 2016 postseason. THAT is what Houston would save its premium ammunition for. See Anderson Espinoza trade. Brad Hand is a journeyman who had one good season. Colin Moran and if the padres dont want that they can go look for somewhere else. Bush, who had shoulder surgery last month but is expected to be ready for Spring Training, turned in strong numbers as a reliever for the Rangers in each of the past two seasons.
That will take every bit of payroll flexibility it has, and more. According to MLBPipeline there are 12 pitching prospects ranked higher than him. And, you know, the Red Sox had this guy in 2016 you may have heard of. His work ethic reminds me of Alex Gordon, a player who transitioned to the outfield and became a gold glove winner. Seriously dude, that is the only guy the Astros would even contemplate trading Whitley for this offseason and it would require money coming back. They have a WS contender next season with ridiculous youth and reinforcements available. They have so many starters that they can pen some of them for the playoffs and shore it up. Also the Astros faced Kahnle, Chapman, Morrow, and Jansen in the playoffs this year and fared just fine. It would be stupid if Luhnow traded a top prospect for any reliever during the offseason. Cionel Perez, and the Astros are unlikely to give up Perez for Hand.
Tucker and Whitley are both untouchable. Watson, McGee, or trade for Britton, no way they give up Whitley for hand. Hand certainly fits that billing. Whitley was not even in the top 100 prospects before last year as he had just come out of high school, but completely dominated all the way to AA ball. Why would the Astros be that desperate for Hand if they just won a title? Look at his numbers. Worst case they can go get Tony Watson or Kevin Siegrist who are both equivalent to Hand in terms of talent.
You accused astros fans of overvaluing their prospects, but your over valuing your guy so much more. Cubs gave up a top 10 prospect in baseball for two months of Chapman when they had the division locked up last year? Whitley is a better prospect than Espinoza Hand is a great reliever, but neither Tucker nor Whitley will be traded for his two remaining years of control. Johns and Frisaro note that Dipoto and VP of scouting Tom Allison watched Ohtani pitch in Japan this past September. You misspelled Giancarlo Stanton. Severino has flow a bit under the radar. Cubs are top 3 payroll team. Stanton or someone of that caliber are Tucker, Whitley, Bukauskas, Alvarez. Feliz is recovering from a dead arm, Hoyt is hardly a key piece to any Astros bullpen and Sipp is going to be waived.
And you have just cited wins to gauge how good a pitcher is which means every comment you have ever made and ever will make is now irrelevant. Hand has two years of control. Whitley, who will be ready to help in 2019 at the latest, will add much more than that for several seasons. Just look at what is left of the mess he created in Detroit. Aaron Judge can sustain his 2017 production. Dombrowski is dark with the Evil Empire finally bringing all its weapons to bear. Pinder, Munoz or Neuse in the outfield. Keuchel leaves after next season. Better prospects have been traded for worse relievers and the team trading the prospect had to throw in something else.
Olson potentially works fine. This is elementary stuff. Houston has the enviable luxury of waiting out half the season to assess what its needs really are. Miller and Chapman got what they did for a couple of reasons. They are bordering on elite. Not by any metric that is more than superficial. Once Houston gets into the playoffs, it can lean on its deep, deep stable of starters to counter the soft spots in its pen. Padres fan and maybe even throw in a lower prospect like Sam Keating. Like I said before, the Yankees better hope that Aaron Judge can sustain his 2017 production.
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